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The Elders of the Pagan Community and The Southern Delta Church of Wicca - ATC are available to provide guidance and advice.

Some of the most revered Elders in our Pagan community are listed below to enable you to see their faces as you get to know them and feel more comfortable as you ask for their guidance and consultation with problems, issues or questions.

Are these our only area Elders? no, not by far. There are many Elders in this area, but these are the most active that expressed an intrest to be available for you to contact at any time. The elders are here to help in any possible and do so without judgment or bias to you or your particular path.

Please feel free to contact any one of our elders individually or as a group for answers to questions or any situation you may find difficult and seek an elders guidance.

 

GrayDove
Iniashee

Debbie Cagle
Dwayne Cagle
Deb Adams

Trudy Herring
Tim Rickman
Edwina Rickman

 

 

We welcome your questions, comments, input and yes, even debates.

We feel there is nothing better than interaction between people no matter what faith or path you choose. We all learn from each other and the best way to live in harmony is to open our doors to everyone for any and all interaction. Please use the following link to contact the elders. If there is a specific elder you wish to speak to , simply send the email to that individuals attention.

 

 

Question: How do you become an Elder? 

Answer: I'm from the Old School, to be an Elder in the Craft, one needs to have completed the Cycle of Saturn.  When we are born, the planet of Saturn is set in a certain astrological position.  When it accomplishes one complete cycle to return to that position, it usually takes 29 to 31 years.  So in one aspect, an Elder has to be incarnate in this life long enough to have accumulated some of life's experiences.  Then if one has gained enough wisdom, they develop a "Mysterious Countenance", it is in their aura.  Therefore, a true Elder never has to egotistically demand respect.  With their presence alone they command respect.  When the community recognizes an Elder, it is generally by this axiom and the Elder fits the role by the way they act, think, and feel. 

"People do not care how much you know, until they first find out how much you care."

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Question: Is there a difference between Wiccan/Pagan priesthood and clergy?

Answer: Yes, A high priest/ess is generally accepted as in the role of ritual leaders. Their jobs or duties are mostly leading or running a coven. In past times Wicca or witchcraft was propagated by the small coven system. Today, some covens train and initiate through the degree system for priesthood. So when a person or couple reaches 3rd degree they can hive off from their mother coven and form their own.

Clergy in the pagan community, is more of a commitment to not only a coven but to the entire community to serve the people and the deities at large. Today, with the formation of legal, Wiccan and pagan churches, the clergy can be licensed by the state and have tax exempt status. Some people feel to make the commitment to be clergy requires more personal sacrifice as the service extends to more people than just to a coven.

Some believe it is a calling from the old gods.


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Question: Isn’t magick limited by the Wiccan Rede” an harm none, do thou what thou wilt’?

Answer: This has been a running discussion between Wiccans and pagan for years. First, the Rede is not ancient script and cannot be traced back any further than Gerald Gardner, and there have been different variations of it since its inception.

Second, it is not a law or rule, It is a Rede. The word “Rede” means advice or counsel.

In my opinion the Rede is a statement of personal ethics. Much like what we all were taught in this society as children. You do not start trouble but you do not run from it either

One version of the Rede is an harm none, do thou what thou wilt, lest it be in self defense of thy life. Now to me, life includes not only my physical life but also my mental emotion and spiritual lives as well.

There is nothing in our Religion that says we have to turn the other cheek. We do not have to stand there and take it. We can defend ourselves physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and magically. As long as we take responsibility for our actions.

So no, The Rede does not limit our magick, providing we are willing to accept the "Law of Three" and understand the difference between right and wrong actions.


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Question: There is talk about Wiccan and pagan religions becoming too organized and therefore losing their spirituality what do you think?

Answer: I have heard this argument, and the statement always follows “we are becoming too much like the Christians.”  My answer is, where you think the Christians got it from.  I believe the Druids were very organized, and so were the Shaolin temples as well as the Tibetan Buddhists monasteries. They were well established long before Christianity came along.

The spiritual paths of nature based religions are, and have always been the paths of individual journeys to the higher self. It doesn't’t matter if one chooses to practice alone, in a group, in the forest, in a city, or in a church building or for that matter sitting behind a computer. While seeking out the ancient ways, their truths, wisdom, and power, to me has always been an internal thing first and then externalized into our mundane lives. Pretty much like the words in the charge of the goddess, “Know the mystery, if that which you seek you find not within yourself you will never find it without.”

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Question: Wicca has been called a loose sexual religion with a belief in infidelity. Is this true?

Answer: No, while some Wiccans/Pagans practice sexual rites, in general, sex is considered a scared act. When one fully understands the force with which we work, and to a degree control, it creates responsibility.

To ignore that responsibility and not put it into ethical practice in your life is to dishonor yourself and the gods.


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Question: Do you see the lord and lady as actual entities or forces of nature?

Answer: That depends on which witch you talk to. The old question comes to mind “Did the gods create us, or did we create the gods?”

I see them as both. I relate to them in my conscious mind through the aspects of masculine and feminine energy that exist in all manifestations. I also conceive them through my subconscious as being very real sentient beings.


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Question: There are so many traditions in witchcraft, how do I know which one is right or correct?

Answer: We consider all traditions valid. It makes little difference in modern Wicca or Paganism whether a tradition is an old tradition passed on for generations or a brand new one. If its tenets, ethics, and structure are sound and have integrity and it fits your needs for your path then it’s for you.

My advice is to study and learn about all traditions before choosing to follow one. Then again you might want to be eclectic, utilize several aspects of more than one tradition and create your own.

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Question: I know marijuana is illegal, but what if utilizing it is part of my path? What is your opinion on this?

Answer: We do not advocate the use of illegal drugs nor do we condone breaking the law, however; I do realize that in some spiritual paths the ritualistic use of hallucinogens are utilized.

The federal government ruled it was ok for Native Americans to use peyote in their religious rituals. I cannot say that this practice is wrong or that it is right. It might be right for some but wrong for others. I think it is up to each individual to make his/her own decision according to their path.

As a legal institution, our church does not allow illegal drugs on its property.


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Question: The books I have read say never enter a circle without perfect love and perfect trust. How is that possible in an open circle at a festival with people you don’t know?

Answer: This has been discussed among the elders. The general consensus in modern paganism is the festival circles are mainly celebration, and one should generate perfect love and perfect trust for the spirit within each individual not the personality expressing through the vessel.

The total attitude of perfect love and perfect trust was designed primarily for close nit groups working magick.


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Question: How do I know if Wicca is the spiritual path for me?

Answer: Choosing a spiritual path is not an easy task or one to be taken lightly. I would suggest you study the philosophy and ethics of any religion you may think is your path. Knowing that these philosophies and ethics match your own is a determining factor as well as following your heart. Does it feel right to you? Does it call to you? How do you feel when participating in the religious ceremonies? Ask yourself these questions they should help you determine if Wicca is your path.


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Question: How do I know if the group I am working with is the right group for me?

Answer: To be a part of a group you must feel like you fit in, even though at first it may be exactly right, give it some time before making a decision. Get to know the people in the group spend time with them and find out if you feel comfortable in their presence. If you feel the people are trustworthy, honest and are following a spiritual path similar to yours then it may very well be the right group. If you feel uncomfortable or do not think the group’s ethics match yours then it probably isn’t.


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Question: Most of the books I have read on Wicca say you should start circle facing the East, I feel more comfortable starting in the North, is this wrong?

Answer: It is not wrong if that is what you feel. Many times we feel different things and that is alright. Follow what your gut tells you and do what you feel is right. There is no absolute set way to do things, there are ways that have worked for many but may not work for you. Research all avenues and follow what you feel.


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Question: My daughter is 9 years old. She was asked by one of her schoolmates to attend a local youth camp meeting at her church. My heart says yes, but my mind says no. What do you suggest? 

Answer: Although I have raised my family to be wiccan, I too have crossed this bridge. In our area Pagans / Wiccans are definitely looked down on. Initially I had the same reaction, but in the end I decided to discuss the situation with my child. I explained how others perceived our religion and how I would really like for her to see how others practiced their religion.

I was afraid she was about to be plunged into a situation she was not ready for. However, it was a great experience. She had a great time, discussed wicca and christianity in just a couple of brief conversations and the remaining time was spent enjoying the company of her friends and their families.

Today, her friends and their families have been to our church, they have had sleep-overs at both homes and I feel it was a great opportunity to open the minds and hearts on both sides.

Before saying "yes", ensure this will be a safe environment for her and simply not a set up to take advantage of the situation and cause hurtful memories.

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Question: I'm 15 years old and have met someone who is Wiccan. They have told me that they have been to the "Temple" and told me I should go too. I would like to know what I have to do to become Wiccan. I have never been very religious and go to church a few times a year.  

Answer: Being 15 years old is a difficult age, with so many things to deal with in ones life. Although you are young, we have children much younger in the craft, as well as in our own church. Saying this, their parents are fully aware of what they are doing as well as support and encourage their participation. Have you spoken to your parents about the Wiccan religion? If you feel you cannot speak to them about this, maybe Wicca / Paganism is NOT the right choice for you at this point in time.

First, I'm concerned that you wish to change your religion and second, that you never really had one prior to this. I must tell you that we encourage all of our youth, as well as others, to explore as many of the worlds religions as possible prior to making a commitment to begin to search the path of Wicca / Paganism.

Obtain some books, read them and totally understand what it is that Wicca represents. You can check our Library section for some book recommendations, as well as the Magick Moon.

The steps to being considered a seeker in the Wiccan religion is proving for one year and a day that you are faithful and DO wish to "live" the Wiccan path. This is NOT a religion for just the weekends. This is a religion that is lived to the fullest each and every day. Once you are accepted as a seeker by the church, you would then become a seeker for one year and a day to begin the journey of enlightenment and learn the basics of the religion. Then you would become a student of the first degree for one year and a day. After this step if the church elders feel you are NOT ready, they have the power to set you back into the cycle to begin this journey all over again until you DO show the growth required to proceed.

You see, we take this very very seriously. We also know that there are individuals out there that Wicca will NOT be the right path for. We feel that the religions of the World all fit together so that we can all find the path that may be right for us. We wish you much success on your journey.

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Question: As a wiccan priestess in the community, how am I supposed to react to people questioning me about other religions and topics of interest that are not really Pagan.

Answer: Being an Priest/ess, you must always be open to others and their needs. You are not only a Priest or Priestess of the Pagan faith, but you are there for guidance for anyone seeking any such help or counsel. If you are an Elder of the community as well, it is extremely important to realize you are expected to be a notable resource of information, guidance and support to all in your community and not just the Pagans.

Let me give you an example of this, all be it a simple one. While heading to a business meeting one day, wearing a blazer and of course my collar. A lady approached me and asked if she could have a moment of my time. I quickly realized she mistook me for a Catholic Priest, but what the heck, she needed me right...  The lady asked what the proper tradition for wearing a carnation on Mothers Day at church on Sunday was. What was the color to wear if her mother was no longer living. Well, it was a good thing I knew of this tradition even thou it was not necessarily a Pagan tradition. I politely told her if her mother was alive, it was to be a red carnation and if she had passed, it was to be a white carnation. The lady smiled, looked at her companion and said " I new it, I was right all along" Of course I had to tell her not to quote me on this as I was a Wiccan Priest!

Instead of shock and dismay, the lady patted me on the back and said "You took the time to help me and you knew the answer to my question." " I don't care what kind of Priest you are." "Thank you vary much and have a blessed day."

You see, we must try to be there for everyone at any time of need no matter what. It is our obligation to the community to be support, council or even a simple friend when someone needs us. This had been proven to me many years ago.

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Question: What is considered improper language or conduct in the company of children at a Pagan gathering.  

Answer: I would consider most Pagan gatherings and festivals to be Rated PG13. This is for the simple fact that we are such a free and open group of people with many paths that cross and overlap. There are no set rules or guidelines within our faith that would restrict any acts, language or ideas and for the most part, we are an open society that must rely on at least a minimum of moral values or rules when at open events.

One time I attended a gathering that I had not been to before. I pitched my tent and took a nap prior to the evenings open rit. Later in the evening I awoke and got ready for circle. I arrived at the circle with my daughter which is 16 and quickly found several people there in the circle skyclad. I did not know this circle or event would have people attending that were this open, but at the same time I also knew that this was not just a streak fest. I asked my daughter if she was uncomfortable or good to go with the environment and then proceeded with the evenings plans.

For some, this may have been offensive, but for me, it was a simple act of freedom which we as Pagans enjoy. Open and unrestricted. I am sure there were others with younger children that remained at camp while this was going on and yet others that joined in.

We need to realize there are more people in this world other than ourselves. Be open and possess the ability to adjust for each an every situation. Try not to condemn others for what they believe and practice. After all, we are Pagans and are supposed to have open minds right?

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Question: I am looking for the Rede of Elders. I keep finding 27, 42, 84. I know there are 39 and 22 are needed for true memorization. The other 17 are needed for reference. The 22 needed for memory are picked by the individual. Are there any websites or books that I could possibly be looking at? Is there any thing that I am over looking?

Answer: The Ordains or Ardanes were written by Lady Sheba.  There is a book called The Grimore of Lady Sheba. You could probably find what you are looking for in it. This book is available at TheMagickMoon.com.

To go now, Click here

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Question: I stumbled across your site and I had to stop in and ask you what you thought of the Christian religion and especially Jesus. I have read that you believe in a God and a Goddess, but how can so many people be wrong and you be right?

Answer: First of all let me thank you for taking the time to write us and for the chance to have a discussion instead of any type of a confrontation. I do believe in both the male and female aspect (God and Goddess) but this does not mean that I feel that Christianity as a whole can be denied. I have always felt that there are certain truths to what is taught and followed by the christian faith, but it is not to say that we can't both be right on the subject of religion. I have yet to find in written and proven documentation where it is felt that ONLY the christian faith is the right way and only way. This has been taught by ministers for years and years and for the most part have a closed mind. If this were true, then the majority of the world religions would be wrong. Then you have the interfaith wars between the various christian factions such as Baptist, Methodist, Church of Christ etc all saying THEY are right and the other are wrong. This to me is also wrong. It is confusing to me when a body of people come together (christian) and say others are wrong for what they believe, then turn around and tell each other that the other's churches are wrong because they do not wear their hair a certain way, or wear the right clothes, or have a certain status in the community.

Let us take what Jesus said and follow it, live in peace and harmony while we learn from each other, and follow our paths all be they separate yet towards the common goal and that goal being the greater good for all mankind. Personally I think Jesus was a wise man. He had twelve close deciples plus himself. This makes a coven. He performed miracles, or what I feel were manifestations of powerful magick (kabala) and was always teaching us to not harm one another, to love your neighbor etc, etc. This in a sense is nothing more that our rede, "In harm none, do what you will" And then there is the law of three which basically has shown us all what we put out to the world will come back three fold. This means I want to put nothing but perfect love and good will out toward the masses and in turn I would hope I receive it.

I hope you will take what I have said and think about it with an open mind. Keep in touch and feel free to write us or come visit us any time.

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Question: Hi, I am not at all sure how to aproach this.I am 18, I was raised not quite christian but closer to that than anything else however I do not accept the general beliefs expressed by christianity. Everything i have read has hinted that i look into the Pagan/Wiccan religion. i have recently discovered that one of my co-workers is a high preist. He told me willingly and knows i am interested in that sort of thing but i don't know how to go about becoming a pagan or if i even seriously want to. I dont even know if i really trust my co-worker enough to seek answers from him. the plus is that i do not feel he is pushing me into anything, but i do feel he may think me a young fool who is not worthy of teaching. what should i do? should i seek another high preist/ess? should i just read about stuff and try practicing on my own?

Answer: First of all let me say thank you for writing us and asking some of the difficult questions that seem to be bothering you at this point. I will try to give you the best and most honest answer I can to help you on your way.

Most religions teach the same basics and for the most part have the same end result. However, they do have a lot of different and definitely diverse ways of getting there.

I guess the most serious point that is to be made here is that most people on this earth desire some sort of personal need for faith or something that is spiritual to help guide their sails per say to get them through the good as well as bad times. In saying this, there are various ways of getting this “fix” and most opt for the easiest and least resitive paths they can find because it is in their mind to do so, but not their souls to live.

Let me explain: Look at the Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Wiccans and Christians. Yes, there are
other religions, but let’s just look at these few for a moment. I can point to all of these religions and show you the pros and cons of practicing them, but the main point of choosing a religion is not the time you put in the temple, church or circle, but it is what you do the remaining time of the week and the majority of your lifetime that you live.

I can point to each of these religions and find someone that is of that particular faith, but for some reason chooses not to live it. Yes, they go to the meetings and they do their part when called upon, but they still do not choose to live the religion. The most important thing we can do is actually “LIVE” what we believe.

I remember when I was a child and I had to go to church on Sunday. I stress “HAD” to go. It was something that was supposed to happen each and every week if I wanted to go or not. Now I am speaking of childhood, but there are also adults that do the same thing. They think that if they
SHOW” others that they practice their belief, then they will gain the “ Keys to the Kingdome” per say. In saying this, it does not add up to practice a religion and be true to yourself, let alone your god or goddess if you do not live that particular religion every day, 24 hours per day right?

Now that I have said this, lets look at Paganism. There are many different paths in Paganism to follow. In that grouping (paganism), there is Wicca which also has many paths you can follow.

How can you possibly just wake up one day and decide to follow a particular path? Well you cannot. It takes a lot of time to do this. You must read and study and ponder these things for quite some time to se if it is a fit. Just like a good pair of shoes. You must look into what brand of shoe fits the best and since you are to walk in that shoe day in and day out, I would think you would want that shoe to fit very well before you decide to wear the pair.

Paganism in general is not for everyone just as being a Jew, Muslim or Christian. I would really need a good fit before I chose to live my life as any of these prior to my making a choice. If I chose wrong, I would then be living a lie or not be true to myself.

Although you have a coworker that is pagan, it may interest you to know that there are so many pagan paths to follow, this may be the reason you feel they are looking down on you. It may not be looking down at all. It may be that they understand there are many paths, and they do not want to
obstruct you in any way while you are making this choice and they also do not want to waste your time.

This is a good thing. You must never feel pressured to be something. You must never feel uncomfortably about any one of these paths at all while visiting or practicing them.

An old statement when entering a circle for example is “in perfect love and perfect trust.” This means that I should not enter this circle unless I have perfect love and perfect trust for any and all that are also in this circle. Unless I can trust others in this circle, why am I there? It would simply drain the energies and clowd my eyes while in the circle. This in turn has a drastic affect on others as the same time.

SO, I would look inward at this time. I would ask some important questions about why I do not like the religion I was raised with. What was it that made you feel uncomfortable at the time you were there? Was it simply the people? Was it the surroundings? Was it the faith itself?

Some of these things can be changed by simply going elsewhere and practicing the same faith under another roof. At the same time, if it was the faith itself, then did you take the time to visit other denominations? You said “I was raised not quite Christian but closer to that than anything else however I do not accept the general beliefs expressed by Christianity.”

Are you sure it was Christianity you had issues with, or was it a particular denomination? For example, there are large differences between the Catholic and the Baptist. There are differences in the Church of Christ as well as the Methodist, yet ALL of these denominations fall under one path and that is Christianity. Now in saying this. Was the issue with God, Jesus or Christ? Or was it the particular denomination you were raised? I can tell you I have been to quite a number of different churches and they are ALL the same when it comes to the basics, but their beliefs and how they practice differ greatly. Now if it was Christianity in general that was the issue, what was it that you did not like?

Now, as you search for that perfect fit (perfect pair of shoes) you must also look at that same issue in the new path. Does it exist? To what degree does it exist? If not at all, how different is it. Is it a real sticking point that makes you choose from one path to another? All of the paths of faith have some sort of something associated with them that may bring a trial or tribulation. It is the nature of the beast per say. Faith or spirituality is not to be perfectly easy or simple all of the time. If it were, we would all be gods right?

So, I think you need to meditate and really look inward. Ask yourself the tough questions first. Be honest and do not lie. It is only you that will hurt in the long run.

ALL faiths and religions are only spokes in a wheel. We are all joined in the outer ring by a common denominator (need for faith and spirituality) and joined again at the center (our destination if we live our life truthfully and obtain our proverbial “Keys to the Kingdome”) It is our job to choose the right path, and actually live it to the fullest the entire seven days per week and not just the holy day(s).

My suggestion to you is after you answer yourself honestly and have meditated on the issue for quite some time, if you then have decided to change your path, please read a lot on the subject you think may fit better. After you have read as much as you can and have a decent knowledge of the subject, then seek a temple, a church, or a circle and ask to attend. See if it IS a comfortable fit. Attend several meetings and after that time, then and only then seek to make that life long choice and take steps to become a member of that particular faith.

If it were at out church for example, you would need to study for one year and a day, then after that, become a seeker if we decide you are a good fit for the group. After a year and a day of studying as a seeker, then another year and a day as a first year initiate. After that, the various degrees and or levels are achieved as we look on and certain things are attained and or achieved. We are there for you every step of the way as a group and as you yourself grow into your own.

I hope this helps in some way, and I hope you let us know how you are and how you decide.

We are all brothers and sisters in the world and we love to be a part that when we can.

May the goddess bless you and all of your choices you are to make in the future.

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